Dear Editor,
The authors' response to the paper's review satisfactorily addresses many of the points I made (se-2021-9-AC1-supplement and se-2021-9-ATC1). Nevertheless, I think it is necessary to make some further clarifications and corrections in order to clearly precise some points and define the limits of the interpretations proposed in this work. I again recommend major revisions.
I address a new set of comments that are partly issue to discussion with my colleague Dr Marc Régnier (seismologist at Géoazur).
Sincerly,
C. Larroque
Main remarks on the manuscript se-2021-9-ATC1 by Thorwart et al. :
- Clarify the results of space geodesy regarding horizontal motions (these results, of course, have largely evolved since 20 years and the paper should highlight the updated interpretation) : some propositions are below.
- The analysis of the Ligurian basin is made from the structure proposed by Dannowski et al. 2020 considering that the central part of the basin is constituted by the hyper-thinned continental crust. It is quite legitimate that the authors rely on this hypothesis since it comes from their work and is argued by a published paper. This is not an issue to be re-discussed here but this point is important to be able to conclude, as the authors do, that the seismicity is localized on structures inherited from rifting. However, other interpretations of the central structure of the Basin at this location exist that propose the presence of exhumed mantle without hyper-thinned continental crust and this must be clearly mentioned (e.g. Canva et al., 2021).
- The authors want to prove earthquake clusters in the mantle from location of epicenters and focal depths. The analysis of the seismological data currently presented is not sufficient to convince the reader : (i) the weak P-wave observed on figure 3B, for instance, is not discussed ; (ii) the absolute focal depths are not discussed taking into account the geometry of the network, the velocity model (…) ; (iii) in cluster 1 one event is observed above the moho and the others below: the comparison of the waveforms, above versus below, would allow to argue the focal depths in the mantle in the absence of absolute location.
- The authors use HyppoDD to determine an uncertainty on the focal depth (some several hundred m, table 1) but this uncertainty is relative inside the cluster. However the authors discuss the absolute focal depths which is not correct because the uncertainty on the absolute focal depth is much larger and in such a context, with the closest station around 20 km from the cluster, may certainly reach sevreal km. The current text may create a major misunderstanding for the reader, this explanation must be reworked to point out that this is not an uncertainty on the absolute focal depths and some precautions must be taken in the further use of the values.
- About the focal mechanisms and the use of FOCMEC : usually amplitude ratio for P-waves are determined on vertical component and amplitude ratio for SV and SH on horizontal component and SH are more likely to be reliable than those involving SV. As explained in the text, the authors determine the amplitude ratio of P- and S-wave on the vertical component only : do they consider that this have no influence on the result ? The use of the S/P ratio also requires the knowledge of attenuation factors (Qp and Qs) to correct the amplitudes, which is not mentionned. The use of the SV/SH ratio avoids this risky correction.
- The focal mechanisms computed on figure 4 involve onland stations more than 100 km far from the source. What is the velocity model used to determine these focal mechanisms ? On figure 4 we observe rays from these onland stations with emergence angle of ~90° which is not realistic. The authors must discuss these methodological issues show that their consequences do not call into question the results.
- The discussion about the rheology (4.3) need to be reworked, several inconsistencies make the text difficult to understand.
Some comments on the corrected paper (se-2021-9-ATC1) :
Line 21 (and also in the paragraph 4) : you mention "faults" but in reality it is the nodal planes of the focal mechanisms that are calculated. As you say in the article, potential faults are not identified and from the mechanism, not only can't one determine which of the two nodal planes is the fault plane (in this case, it will depend mostly on the dip of the fault) but also the direction is related to the quality of the mechanism and therefore to some uncertainty. I suggest to take care in the text of the paper.
Lines 33-34 : « GPS data do not show any significant present-day shortening between Corsica and the northern rim of the Ligurian Sea (Nocquet and Calais, 2004) » and in the discussion you say that there is an horizontal motion measured by spatial geodesy ~0.4 mm/yr (Nocquet, 2012 ; Masson et al., 2019). It is certainly complex to explain the very weak motions observed by space geodesy and the evolution of these measures over the last 20 years in a few sentences. I suggest you simply say that Nocquet and Calais (2004) have shown that most of the Africa/Europe plates convergence is absorbed at the Maghrebian chain. Then, Nocquet (2012) and Masson et al. (2019) showed that a horizontal convergent motion exists between the Corsica-Sardinia block and the mainland Europe with a value of 0.4 mm/year.
Line 56 : « Serponelli » is better if Serpelloni.
Line 84 : Béthoux 1992 is Béthoux et al., 1992
Line 90 : « seismic rupture » is not the right term, seismic reflexion helps to image fault not seismic rupture.
Line 175 : precise « subsurface sedimentary layers » ?
Line 192 : several times you mention « top of crystalline basement » may be precise what is it : continental crust-mantle-oceanic crust undifferentiated ? Wouldn't it be easier to talk about the sediment layer base ?
Lines 209-215 : difficult to understand may be a simple skecth would help the reader to follow your idea.
Lines 210-211 : « Events of family 1 occur at greater depth than events of family 2. ». If I look at the table 1, I read F1 : 15,5 km, 15,1, 14,9 and F2 : 16,3 km, 16,1, 15,2, 16,1…. Then F1 seems to be shallower than F2. Nevertheless I think that it is impossible to discuss such precision on the depth of microearthquakes located with stations more than 20 km away. It seems reasonable to me to delete this statement.
Line 211 : nodal planes are observed not faults. Following this observation you could interprete one of the nodal plane as the fault with some discussion.
Lines 231-233 : « It was proposed that this shortening is a result from the CCW rotation of the Adriatic microplate rather than from the motion of an independent rigid Corsica-Sardinia block (Nocquet and Calais, 2004). » If you discuss the question of the origin of the compression on the northern Ligurian margin, then it must be presented in its entirety because it is obviously an important point for the question of inversion even if it is not completely resolved at present :
- Nocquet and Calais (2004): at that time measurements were not sufficient to detect the weak horizontal motion between the Corsica-Sardinia block and the mainland. They suggested that the counterclockwise rotation of Adria could be the cause of this compression, although the rotation pole near Turin strongly limits this influence.
- Larroque et al (2009) propose that this compressional zone at the southwestern junction of the Alpine-Ligurian Basin could be related to the stress generated by crustal thickening of the chain to the north with also as a consequence the extensional tectonic regime on the high peaks of the southern Alps.
- Sanchez et al (2010) question this extensional regime in the Alpine domain and propose that the Adria rotation controls the deformation up to the northern margin of Liguria.
- Finally Eva et al (2020) show from seismicity analysis that the counterclockwise rotation of the Adria block has no influence south of 45°N and thus no influence on the compressive regime of the northern Ligurian margin (which is confirmed by the analysis of extensive earthquakes over the Southern Alps [(Thouvenot et al, 2016) and GPS measurements over the Southern Alps (Mathey et al, 2020)].
The current consensus solution is the horizontal northward displacement toward NW of the Corsica-Sardinia block.
Line 254 : concentration of earthquakes was already mentionned in the ligurian domain : on the northern margin and in the 2011 epicentral area.
Line 255 : the hypothesis that C1 and C2 occurred on the same fault because they area as close as 25 km is … an hypothesis : take precautions and be less assertive.
Line 255-265 : the discussion about the difference in orientation is interesting but donc forget that you discuss about nodal planes and the faults are not identified (same topic as line 211). Could the authors propose some hypothesis on which one of the nodal plane is the fault plane ?
Line 262-263 : « Since the 2011 events are located more to the southeast, closer to the coast, they represent an older phase of rifting compared to C1 and C2 » may be replace by : Since the structures supported the 2011 events are located more to the southeast, i.e. closer to the coast, they represent early rifting stage structures whereas the structures supporting C1 and C2, located more to the center of the basin, were developped during a later rifting stage.
Line 267 : take precaution about the location in the mantle as the absolute uncertainties on the focal depth is of several km.
Line 272 : « formation » : could you precise what is it, I think it is the amount of water in the crust ?
Line 273-276 : I don’t understand the discussion about Handy and Brun (2004) : the seimicity is not an indcator of rock strength but it concentrates in weak zones but the weak zones are indeed zones of low resistance no ? This is confusing for me.
Line 277-280 : I agree the remark of Dr Le Breton about the section 4.3 and the new formulation of the authors leaves me confused. Currently, heat flow measurements through active rift such as the East African display high heat flow then a warming of the crust compared to the standart situation. Heat flow in the Ligurain basin (Della Vedova et al., see discussion in Bethoux et al., 2008) is currently high. I don't understand how the crustal thinning could allow a cooling of the temperature in crust ? nor the role of the drop of pressure on the CMB in the strengthenning of the crust ?
Line 287 : what is « attenuated crust » ?
Line 289 : IN THE Atlantic rather than « …the in the… »
Line 293 : « 4 km depth » precise : depth below sea level, below the CMB ?
Line 292-294 : you propose that extension developped without stretching ? It seems to me that the 2 two processus act jointly ? How to produce normal faults without a minimum of stretching ?
Lines 309-314 : Definitely there is something to rethink in the presentation of these interpretation about the rheology. This paragraph is clearly contradictory with the previous. You propose here that the crust is hot whereas you propose previously that the crust is cold (line 277 : « cooling of rocks within the crust »). Furthermore the présentation of a high heat flow in the central Ligurian basin is rather too simple and misleading. First you must mentionned that the work of Hansen and Nielsen is not dedicated to the Ligurian basin but is a modelling of sedimentary basins in general in order to study the relationships between lithospheric structures and (permanent relative weakness zones) and thermal structure and they propose : « the maximum Moho temperature, and therefore also the weakest upper mantle, is encountered beneath the flanks of the basin » and not « …localised crustal radiogenic heat production allow for a temperature maximum at the CMB beneath the basin centre. » as proposed by the authors. In the following they explain why the sediments thermal blanketing could be responsible for the weakest crust in the center of the basin. The modeling proposed by béthoux et al (2008) also deserves to be presented in a little more detail if you want to argue your interpretations : what about temperature pattern, the heat flow (observed and rougly corrected by Della Vedova, Pasquale…) and calculated in the Ligurian basin ?
Line 341-343 : in the legende of A2 precise « first motion polarities for events 2, 6, 8 and 9 from left to right ».
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