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Multi-disciplinary characterizations of the BedrettoLab – a new underground geoscience research facility
Xiaodong Ma
Marian Hertrich
Florian Amann
Kai Bröker
Nima Gholizadeh Doonechaly
Valentin Gischig
Rebecca Hochreutener
Philipp Kästli
Hannes Krietsch
Michèle Marti
Barbara Nägeli
Morteza Nejati
Anne Obermann
Katrin Plenkers
Antonio P. Rinaldi
Alexis Shakas
Linus Villiger
Quinn Wenning
Alba Zappone
Falko Bethmann
Raymi Castilla
Francisco Seberto
Peter Meier
Thomas Driesner
Simon Loew
Hansruedi Maurer
Martin O. Saar
Stefan Wiemer
Domenico Giardini
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- Final revised paper (published on 02 Feb 2022)
- Preprint (discussion started on 03 Sep 2021)
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RC1: 'Comment on se-2021-109', Anonymous Referee #1, 11 Oct 2021
This is a well-written and complete summary of the geology and geomechanics of the Bedretto Underground lab. I have no major suggestions, as the writing is clear, and references are available where additional information is needed. A few very small corrections are suggested. This paper will be cited many times.
Line 43 Clarify what “latter” refers to.
Line 104. It looks like the FURKA tunnel is horseshoe-shaped, not the Bedretto Tunnel.
Line 200 Replace “have been” with were.
Line 300 Add a space after “space”.
Line 333 Define “characteristic response time”
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/se-2021-109-RC1 -
AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Xiaodong Ma, 15 Oct 2021
We thank Referee#1 for the positive comments! Our replies are detailed below and will be reflected in the revised manuscript.
Line 43 Clarify what “latter” refers to.
Reply: 'latter' here refers to 'fracture reactivation and seismicity'. I clarified this in the revised version.
Line 104. It looks like the FURKA tunnel is horseshoe-shaped, not the Bedretto Tunnel.
Reply: the shapes marked in Fig.1 might be ambiguous. We've modified it.
Line 200 Replace “have been” with were.
Reply: addressed.
Line 300 Add a space after “space”.
Reply: addressed.
Line 333 Define “characteristic response time”
Reply: addressed. 'Characteristic response time' here refers to the duration between the moment of the drawdown/pressurization test start and the moment of measurable pressure signal associated with the test.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/se-2021-109-AC1
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Xiaodong Ma, 15 Oct 2021
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RC2: 'Comment on se-2021-109', Pär Grahm, 12 Nov 2021
Section
Regarding
Comment or question
In general
The paper
Well written, interesting and well referenced description of the performed rock characterizations. In addition, a good summary of the Bedretto Lab establishment
In general
Orientation system
It becomes evident that the text is written by many authors when it comes to which orientation system that is used. Sometimes N ##°W are used, other tImes NW-SE striking, and sometimes stríke/dip, and even trend for fracture/zones. Different disciplines do use different systems as standard, but try to minimize the use of systems in the same paper.
In general
Uncertainty
For the stress measurements there is some uncertainty span provided, but what about all other parameters; have you done any uncertainty evaluation of magnitudes and orientations? Multiple measurements are needed to get a good picture of the values interpreted. The only text where it is stated that multiple test have been performed is at row 312-313
Title
A unique underground geoscience research facility
Not obvious that a reader absorbs what is the uniqueness of the facility. Few external comparisons are made with international URLs and just a brief benchmark with Grimsel regarding permeability of the granite, see also comment section 500-502. Instead of using "unique" in the title I suggest Bedretto should be presented as "a new underground geoscience research facility"
68
Äspö
Äspö HRL
137
of more than 100 earthquakes within the region
Time interval?
144
Medium to large-scale fracture
Consider introducing the definition Full Perimeter Intersection “FPI” as used by SKB and other repository engineering companies, e.g. SKB R-06-05 “Using observations in deposition tunnels to avoid intersections with critical fractures in deposition holes”
228
Three distinct lithological units are present in the characterized rock volume (Figure 5)
Figure 5 is a not an interpretation of the rock volume but core descriptions from three boreholes?
322-324
Therefore, it is expected that the transmissivity values of CB1 and CB3 are at least as high as the largest transmissivity observed within the intervals of CB2, which is indeed the case
“it is expected” and “indeed the case” in the same sentence?
410-415
Risk of undersampling
The configuration of the lab (orientations of tunnel + boreholes) may underestimate intensity of fractures and structure that have pole trend/plunge around 45/45 (strike/dip 135/45) It would therefore be of great interest to drill a hole with azimuth 45 and inclination -45 (from horizontal plane)
440
wavelengths
Maybe use higher frequency?
441-442
“As already shown, strong stress variations are evident along the CB boreholes, particularly around the fault zones.”
Where is this already shown?
500-502
The Bedretto Lab represents the state-of-the art for conducting meso-scale experiments on the crystalline rock masses and offers opportunities for international collaborations
“State-of-the-art” methods have indeed been used for the characterization of the local rock volume. However, as a novel laboratory this is too much of an exaggeration at this stage. There are several underground research laboratories in the crystalline rock with many decades of experience and solid scientific results, e.g Äspö HRL in Sweden where site investigations began 1986.
Other aspects that appear to be missing for the Bedretto Lab to be a “state-of-the-art” test bed are an open database with access to e.g. various data from continuous hydro monitoring and water chemistry development over time, a 3D-modelled interdisciplinary site description to e.g. assist in deciding on new survey sites as well as a customized service organisation at the site.
518-519
The rock volume will be further characterized and densely instrumented with tailored sensors. It will allow for in-depth studies of the hydro-seismo-mechanical response of fractured rock masses.
Possibly, it can be presented with even greater clarity what the Bedretto Lab can offer the future research customers, see comment 500-502.
Table 4
units
I guess that the unit for the p and s waves should be m/s and not km/s, or the numbers should be divided by 1000?
Figure 2
reference
The caption reference to the “lower row of figure 6”. I guess it should reference to figure 7.
Figure 8
Labelling
The text reference e.g. Figure 8a, 8b etc, but there is no such labels in Figure 8.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/se-2021-109-RC2 -
AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Xiaodong Ma, 07 Dec 2021
- In general,
the paper: Well written, interesting and well referenced description of the performed rock characterizations. In addition, a good summary of the Bedretto Lab establishment
Response:
We thank the reviewer for the positive comments. We reply to your specific comments item by item below.
- Orientation system:
It becomes evident that the text is written by many authors when it comes to which orientation system that is used. Sometimes N ##°W are used, other tImes NW-SE striking, and sometimes stríke/dip, and even trend for fracture/zones. Different disciplines do use different systems as standard, but try to minimize the use of systems in the same paper.
Response:
We thank the reviewer for raising this issue. We revised the text to adhere to the N###°E convention for the fracture/fault strike, tunnel orientation and horizontal stress component azimuth. It might be confusing when the four fracture/fault sets are mentioned, which we arbitrarily divide into four categories (E-W, N-S, SE-NW and NE-SW).
- Uncertainty:
For the stress measurements there is some uncertainty span provided, but what about all other parameters; have you done any uncertainty evaluation of magnitudes and orientations? Multiple measurements are needed to get a good picture of the values interpreted. The only text where it is stated that multiple test have been performed is at row 312-313
Response:
For the uncertainty of stress magnitudes and orientations, we refer to a dedicated stress study by (Bröker & Ma, n.d.). While additional tests are still warranted to further consolidate the stress uncertainty in the vicinity of the Bedretto Lab, Line 175-190 provides our best estimation to date.
- Title: A unique underground geoscience research facility
Not obvious that a reader absorbs what is the uniqueness of the facility. Few external comparisons are made with international URLs and just a brief benchmark with Grimsel regarding permeability of the granite, see also comment section 500-502. Instead of using "unique" in the title I suggest Bedretto should be presented as "a new underground geoscience research facility"
Response:
We appreciate that the reviewer points to this issue. We have toned down this and used ‘new’ instead.
- Line 68: Äspö
Äspö HRL
Response:
Addressed.
- Line 137: ‘of more than 100 earthquakes within the region’ Time interval?
Response:
Addressed.
- Line 144: ‘Medium to large-scale fracture’
Consider introducing the definition Full Perimeter Intersection “FPI” as used by SKB and other repository engineering companies, e.g. SKB R-06-05 “Using observations in deposition tunnels to avoid intersections with critical fractures in deposition holes”
Response:
We thank the reviewer for sharing this reference. However, we were unable to retrieve this one online. Instead, we identified a relevant reference, which we will try to implement in our future work.
Raymond Munier, 2010. Full perimeter intersection criteria – Definitions and implementations inf SR-Site. SKB TR-10-21, Svensk Kärnbränslehantering AB.
https://inis.iaea.org/collection/NCLCollectionStore/_Public/41/095/41095194.pdf
- Line 228: ‘Three distinct lithological units are present in the characterized rock volume (Figure 5) ’
Figure 5 is a not an interpretation of the rock volume but core descriptions from three boreholes?
Response:
Clarified.
- Line 322-324: ‘Therefore, it is expected that the transmissivity values of CB1 and CB3 are at least as high as the largest transmissivity observed within the intervals of CB2, which is indeed the case’
“it is expected” and “indeed the case” in the same sentence?
Response:
Revised.
- Line 410-415: ‘Risk of undersampling’
The configuration of the lab (orientations of tunnel + boreholes) may underestimate intensity of fractures and structure that have pole trend/plunge around 45/45 (strike/dip 135/45) It would therefore be of great interest to drill a hole with azimuth 45 and inclination -45 (from horizontal plane)
Response:
We thank the reviewer for this valuable suggestion, which is stressed by Dr. Earon (RC3, see below). We are aware of the risk of under sampling of fracture sets in the Bedretto Lab volume. Additional boreholes have been planned and will provide relevant information.
- Line 440: ‘wavelengths’
Maybe use higher frequency?
Response:
Revised.
- Line 441-442: “As already shown, strong stress variations are evident along the CB boreholes, particularly around the fault zones.”
Where is this already shown?
Response:
The stress variations we referred to concern the prominent rotations of borehole breakouts observed in all three boreholes. This is first described in Line 268-279, and also noted in Line 390-400.
- Line 500-502: ‘The Bedretto Lab represents the state-of-the art for conducting meso-scale
experiments on the crystalline rock masses and offers opportunities for international collaborations’
“State-of-the-art” methods have indeed been used for the characterization of the local rock volume. However, as a novel laboratory this is too much of an exaggeration at this stage. There are several underground research laboratories in the crystalline rock with many decades of experience and solid scientific results, e.g Äspö HRL in Sweden where site investigations began 1986.
Other aspects that appear to be missing for the Bedretto Lab to be a “state-of-the-art” test bed are an open database with access to e.g. various data from continuous hydro monitoring and water chemistry development over time, a 3D-modelled interdisciplinary site description to e.g. assist in deciding on new survey sites as well as a customized service organisation at the site.
- Line 518-519: ‘The rock volume will be further characterized and densely instrumented with tailored sensors. It will allow for in-depth studies of the hydro-seismo-mechanical response of fractured rock masses.’ Possibly, it can be presented with even greater clarity what the Bedretto Lab can offer the future research customers, see comment 500-502.
Response:
We appreciate your comments on the ‘state-of-the-art’ description, which we have toned down and made relevant revisions. We are aware of many existing underground labs and the invaluable research findings generated there. These serve as great encouragement for our future work!
- Table 4: ‘units’
I guess that the unit for the p and s waves should be m/s and not km/s, or the numbers should be divided by 1000?
Response:
Addressed.
- Figure 2: ‘reference’
The caption reference to the “lower row of figure 6”. I guess it should reference to figure 7.
Response:
Corrected. We thank the reviewer for spotting this!
- Figure 8: ‘Labelling’
The text reference e.g. Figure 8a, 8b etc, but there is no such labels in Figure 8.
Response:
Addressed.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/se-2021-109-AC2
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AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Xiaodong Ma, 07 Dec 2021
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RC3: 'Comment on se-2021-109', Pär Grahm, 12 Nov 2021
Attached are further review comments from my collaegue PhD Robert Earon who is a specialist hydrogeology at the Swedish Nuclear Fuel and Waste Management Co. (SKB). As a Referee I think all his comments are valid and can be useful. But do as you please with this bonus review. Best wishes /Pär
- AC3: 'Reply on RC3', Xiaodong Ma, 13 Dec 2021