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Rare earth elements associated with carbonatite–alkaline complexes in western Rajasthan, India: exploration targeting at regional scale
Alok Porwal
Manikandan Sundaralingam
Ignacio González-Álvarez
Amber Markan
Karunakar Rao
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- Final revised paper (published on 14 Mar 2022)
- Preprint (discussion started on 24 Sep 2021)
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CC1: 'Comment on se-2021-108', Michael Anenburg, 04 Oct 2021
This looks like a great paper and more data-driven methods can definitely benefit the relative young science of exporation targeting for REE deposits, particularly those related to alkaline and carbonatite complexes. Looking forward to reading it when it is published!
I do have some minor comments and corrections regarding the geochemical and petrological aspects of this paper.
line 32: Although IUPAC includes this entire list, Pm is an unstable element and for practical reasons in geology does not exist. It is better to remove it. Scandium also probably does not belong here, as it is not an element that is generally associated with the other REEs, and it not sourced from carbonatites and alkaline complexes.
line 45: Placers are the major source in India, but not globally. The largest operating REE mine is Bayan Obo, which is indeed a high temperature carbonatite.
lines 62-73: Is a list of all approaches necessary? If yes, then I think it would look better in a table. It is challenging to read as it is now, in paragraph text.
line 91: You're saying that "no deposit has been identified in the province so far", but in Table 1 you're showing Kamthai, which has a delineated resource estimate?
line 165: Reactions between carbonatites and country rocks are very common in carbonatites, and it is correct that these reaction remove CO2. However, it has very little to do with the enrichment in REE. If anything, it allows REE to be deposited into REE-rich silicate minerals, essentially removing REE from the melt. This has been discussed in detail in our own work (Anenburg & Mavrogenes 2018, available https://doi.org/10.2475/03.2018.03 or open access at http://hdl.handle.net/1885/143148 )
REE are enriched in carbonatites primarily because they are incompatible elements, and Na+K in the melt allow them to be soluble all the way down to the final stages of magmatic fractionation, causing their enrichment in the last batches of carbonatite melt. See our work (Anenburg et al 2020 available open access at https://doi.org/10.1126/sciadv.abb6570 )
line 175: These late stage minerals are often in-situ replacement of two minerals: burbankite and carbocernaite, which are probably the two most important primary REE minerals in carbonatites, but because of their solubility, they are rarely preserved. Typically, currently observed REE minerals don't precipitate from hydrothermal fluids as you stage in your line 173, rather they are the result of local redistribution of REE after burbankite and carbocernaite are dissolved, and their REE component remain immobile. See for example the Anenburg et al 2020 paper I referred to earlier, and these two relevant papers by Kozlov et al (https://doi.org/10.3390/min10010073) and Andersen et al (https://doi.org/10.1016/j.oregeorev.2017.06.025)
Also please correct mineral name from "parasite" to "parisite".
line 185: Something which should be highly relevant for your modelling is the decoupling between LREE and HREE in carbonatites and fenites. Our experimental study (Anenburg et al 2020 above) demonstrated that LREE are retained inside the carbonatite, whereas HREE tend to be mobilised outwards into fenites. This is also observed in nature: see example papers by Andersen et al and Broom-Fendley et al: https://doi.org/10.2138/am-2016-5532 https://doi.org/10.1016/j.oregeorev.2016.10.019 https://doi.org/10.2138/am-2016-5502CCBY
- AC1: 'Reply on CC1', Malcolm Aranha, 15 Oct 2021
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RC1: 'Comments on se-2021-108', Anonymous Referee #1, 12 Nov 2021
General Comments:
This is a thorough and detailed study. The main strength of the study is the rigorous approach towards identifying all the relevant features from various datasets. However, such a data pre-processing workflow could also add artifacts or cause identification of same features multiple times. Given the lack of Figures representing input data or the final identified features, it is difficult to understand and relate geophysical signals to the extracted features.
The scale and resolution of the primary data is quite wide-ranging, therefore one question that arises is how these were integrated together while maintaining adequate balance between extracting information from the datasets but at the same time keeping a non-subjective and quantitative check on introduction of stochastic uncertainties. Data inconsistencies is a common issue in prospectivity mapping studies, but here there seems to be one-to-two-orders of differences in the spatial resolution of the input datasets, so the magnitude of artifacts could easily increase accordingly. Moreover, the spatial resolution of the predictors maps and prospectivity mapping is not provided in the manuscript.
Table 4 contains a lot of repetition and needs to be simplified. The full form of the acronyms used in Table 4 are not provided in the manuscript. Most are standard acronyms such as RTP (Reduced to Pole), but to conform to the norms of scientific writing, as a suggestion, it would be useful to define all the acronyms, either in the table as footnotes or in the text.
Several predictor maps are used more than once in the modelling procedure as shown in Table 5 and Table 6. Will this not increase the influence of such predictor maps in the results? The question is should they be really considered more than once, because spatially they are the same? From Section 5 it seems that the objective of using three FIS was to progressively reduce the area of exploration, but if large-scale features of a previous FIS are used in the next FIS, then how does this influence the results?
Overall, the research is well-implemented and concisely presented in the manuscript. Results are rationally evaluated and discussed.
Detailed comments: In the attached document.
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AC2: 'Reply on RC1', Malcolm Aranha, 12 Jan 2022
Response to RC1
We thank Reviewer 1 for the positive and constructive review and insightful comments and suggestions. We have addressed all comments and acknowledge that this has led to significant improvement of the manuscript.
- This is a thorough and detailed study. The main strength of the study is the rigorous approach towards identifying all the relevant features from various datasets. However, such a data pre-processing workflow could also add artifacts or cause identification of same features multiple times. Given the lack of Figures representing input data or the final identified features, it is difficult to understand and relate geophysical signals to the extracted features.
- Response: It is true that data-pre-processing workflows could result in the addition of artefacts. However, the use of a conjunctive operator (the fuzzy AND) in the first stage FIS for combining the various features extracted from the geophysical and topographic datasets ensured that only those features that were consistently present in all derivative maps were used as inputs for the prospectivity modelling. We think that this step had minimized artefacts as the features that are present in all different datasets are less likely to be artefacts. Further, as explained in section 6, pages 14-15, lines 266-273, the uncertainty likely to be introduced by pre-processing was taken into consideration while allocating confidence values.
- The scale and resolution of the primary data is quite wide-ranging, therefore one question that arises is how these were integrated together while maintaining adequate balance between extracting information from the datasets but at the same time keeping a non-subjective and quantitative check on introduction of stochastic uncertainties. Data inconsistencies is a common issue in prospectivity mapping studies, but here there seems to be one-to-two-orders of differences in the spatial resolution of the input datasets, so the magnitude of artifacts could easily increase accordingly. Moreover, the spatial resolution of the predictors maps and prospectivity mapping is not provided in the manuscript.
- Response: We agree that there are one-to-two-orders of difference in the spatial resolution of the datasets, particularly between gravity and magnetic datasets. However, as discussed in our response to Comment 1 above, we think that the use of features that are common across different datasets likely minimised artefacts caused by the scale variations.
- A grid-cell size of 3 km was used for both, predictor maps and prospectivity modelling. The grid-cell size was a trade-off between high-resolution magnetic data and low-resolution gravity data. Also, it is approximately the average size of carbonatite-alkaline complexes in the study area. We thank the reviewer for pointing out this omission in the original manuscript. This has now been added in the revised manuscript (Section 5, page 10, lines 192-197).
- Table 4 contains a lot of repetition and needs to be simplified. The full form of the acronyms used in Table 4 are not provided in the manuscript. Most are standard acronyms such as RTP (Reduced to Pole), but to conform to the norms of scientific writing, as a suggestion, it would be useful to define all the acronyms, either in the table as footnotes or in the text.
- Response: We thank the Reviewer for the comment and suggestions. We agree that the original Table 4 was cluttered and contained redundant information because of repetitions. Table 4 (and other tables) have been revised and simplified, and the repetition of information has been minimized. The acronyms have been provided with their full forms. Some of the tables (Tables 1 and 6A, B and C of the original manuscript) have been moved to the appendix on the suggestion of Reviewers 2 and 3. This has improved the readability of the paper.
- Several predictor maps are used more than once in the modelling procedure as shown in Table 5 and Table 6. Will this not increase the influence of such predictor maps in the results? The question is should they be really considered more than once, because spatially they are the same? From Section 5 it seems that the objective of using three FIS was to progressively reduce the area of exploration, but if large-scale features of a previous FIS are used in the next FIS, then how does this influence the results?
- Response: Thank you for posing this question. Some of the predictor maps were used more than once in the modelling because these maps provided evidence for more than one targeting criteria. For example, the ‘distance to rift’ map is used to proxy for the extensional setting and the associated mantle plume in the FIS for delineating the prospective fertility/geodynamic settings. The same map is used as a proxy for fluid pathways in the second FIS for demarcating the favourable transport architecture. Wherever a predictor map is used for more than one component, different parameters are used for the fuzzy membership functions for each component. This has now been clarified in Tables 3 and 4.
- Moreover, the use of conjunctive operators (fuzzy AND and fuzzy PRODUCT) in both first and second stage FISs ensured that minimum of the influences of all inputs would be propagated to the output prospectivity map. This is also the reason why, unlike the weights-of-evidence or Naïve Bayesian classifiers, the FIS approach is not significantly affected by conditional dependencies in the input datasets.
- Overall, the research is well-implemented and concisely presented in the manuscript. Results are rationally evaluated and discussed.
- Response: Thank you for the exhaustive review and the insightful comments.
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AC2: 'Reply on RC1', Malcolm Aranha, 12 Jan 2022
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RC2: 'Comment on se-2021-108', Anonymous Referee #2, 23 Nov 2021
In the manuscript with the title “REE’s associated with carbonatite-alkaline complexes in western Rajasthan, India: exploration targeting at a regional scale”, the authors present a mineral prospectivity approach to determine potential target sites for REE exploration. The work is based on extensive previous experience by the authors in the field of mineral prospectivity analysis and uses state-of-the-art methods, applied to a regional case study. As such, it is an interesting contribution to the field and suitable for a publication in a scientific journal, specifically for the special topic on the state of the art in mineral exploration.
Overall, the manuscript contains all elements that are relevant for a scientific publication, but I do have several concerns about the structure itself. The manuscript contains an excessive amount of tables. Even if one can usually argue that tables help summarising information, it appears quite the opposite here: as a reader, one is constantly shifting between reading text in the main document, and reading text in the tables. In my point of view, this is really not helping and distracts from the main contribution of the manuscript. In addition, almost all tables contain a very high amount of redundant information (see comments below). I would strongly suggest to re-structure the document in a form that the relevant aspects are in the main text, and to place all tables (if they should be kept) in the appendix.
Another point concerns the results section: this is almost non-existent (two short paragraphs) and actually a lot of outcomes are missing here. They are then described in the discussion (e.g., lines 318-334). Also here, I would suggest to carefully revise results and discussion section to place the content at the part where a typical reader would expect them - this is to some extent always up to personal choice, but I think that a restructuring will definitely help clarifying the main contribution of the work.
Concerning the scientific contribution: all main components of the used data sets are well described and justified. What is missing is a description of the approach itself (the fuzzy inference system). The authors refer to previous publications on the topic - but actually, they are partly paywalled and will not be accessible to all readers (I also could not find openly available preprints). I would suggest to include some more details into the manuscript. In the current form, it is very difficult to understand how exactly uncertainties are considered and which of the novel approaches are implemented. Also, the description would benefit from some of the base references (if I am not mistaken, then the approaches go back to the work of Duda in the 1970’s).
In the interest of open science and in order to better understand the approach itself (and to make it reproducible), it would also be very beneficial to make the processing scripts available on an open repository (e.g, GitHub or an institutional repository).
One key aspect of the approach is that the authors estimate uncertainties in the resulting prediction maps. This is an important extension, when compared to conventional prospectivity mapping approaches. It should be mentioned, thought, that the analysed systemic uncertainties only address a small part of the overall set of uncertainties (here called “systemic”, similar to “epistemic”?): the uncertainties in the hyper-parameters of the distributions. Many other uncertainties which, I think, the authors would also group under the term “systemic” are not included (choice of the distribution, model structure, choice of using a FIS, …). To be sure, this is acceptable, as no approach yet exists to consider all uncertainties, but it should at least be mentioned that the uncertainty estimates are limited to this specific aspect.
Further (minor) comments to specific sections in text (identified by line numbers):
75: In the UQ literature, the terms epistemic and aleatory are commonly used. How do the terms systemic and stochastic refer to these?
97: Please describe the geologic/ geodynamic setting instead of a list of continents and countries.
147: As the presented work strongly depends on the mineral system model, it would be important to include the full reference here - or, at least, to provide an accessible version of a preprint (if the paper is not yet accepted). In the current form, this model can not be evaluated.
Table 4B, C: highly redundant information - see general comments above.
Table 5: last column: why Piece-wise linear twice? Overall, also highly redundant.
Fig. 4: Also here, a lot of redundant information. A more compact description would help for a clearer representation.
233, FIS-model(s): Were the three separate models chosen on basis of a geodynamic/ mineral systems consideration or on basis of the operator functions (into “AND” and “Product” branches)?
Fig. 5: scale, colorbar, missing, difficult to interpret. Suggestion: include subfigures for detailed areas and include description in results section (instead of discussion).
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AC3: 'Reply on RC2', Malcolm Aranha, 12 Jan 2022
Response to RC2
We thank Reviewer 2 for the positive assessment of the manuscript and constructive and insightful comments and suggestions. We have addressed all comments and suggestions in the revised manuscript.
In the manuscript with the title “REE’s associated with carbonatite-alkaline complexes in western Rajasthan, India: exploration targeting at a regional scale”, the authors present a mineral prospectivity approach to determine potential target sites for REE exploration. The work is based on extensive previous experience by the authors in the field of mineral prospectivity analysis and uses state-of-the-art methods, applied to a regional case study. As such, it is an interesting contribution to the field and suitable for a publication in a scientific journal, specifically for the special topic on the state of the art in mineral exploration.
Overall, the manuscript contains all elements that are relevant for a scientific publication, but I do have several concerns about the structure itself.
- The manuscript contains an excessive amount of tables. Even if one can usually argue that tables help summarising information, it appears quite the opposite here: as a reader, one is constantly shifting between reading text in the main document, and reading text in the tables. In my point of view, this is really not helping and distracts from the main contribution of the manuscript. In addition, almost all tables contain a very high amount of redundant information (see comments below). I would strongly suggest to re-structure the document in a form that the relevant aspects are in the main text, and to place all tables (if they should be kept) in the appendix.
- Response: We agree that the paper and tables needed restructuring. In the revised manuscript, we have reduced the number of tables within the body of the manuscript and moved some of them to an appendix. The revised manuscript has six tables. The original Tables 1 and 6A, B and C have been moved to the appendix. Also, all tables have been revised and simplified to improve the readability and to avoid cluttering and repetition of information.
- Another point concerns the results section: this is almost non-existent (two short paragraphs) and actually a lot of outcomes are missing here. They are then described in the discussion (e.g., lines 318-334). Also here, I would suggest to carefully revise results and discussion section to place the content at the part where a typical reader would expect them - this is to some extent always up to personal choice, but I think that a restructuring will definitely help clarifying the main contribution of the work.
- Response: We appreciate the suggestion and agree that the results and discussion sections in the original manuscript needed restructuring to improve the readability. In the revised version, the Results and Discussion have been combined in a single section, “Results and Discussion”. The recommendations have been moved to the Conclusion section.
- Concerning the scientific contribution: all main components of the used data sets are well described and justified. What is missing is a description of the approach itself (the fuzzy inference system). The authors refer to previous publications on the topic - but actually, they are partly paywalled and will not be accessible to all readers (I also could not find openly available preprints). I would suggest to include some more details into the manuscript. In the current form, it is very difficult to understand how exactly uncertainties are considered and which of the novel approaches are implemented. Also, the description would benefit from some of the base references (if I am not mistaken, then the approaches go back to the work of Duda in the 1970’s).
- Response: Thank you for flagging this point. We agree that a complete description of the theory and implementation of fuzzy logic will undoubtedly add value to the paper. We completely understand the concerns regarding a background to the approach. To address this, we have cited some additional publications in the text in lines 61 – 63 on page 2 and also provided some examples of open-source applications that can be used to implement FIS in lines 199 – 206 on page 10. We have also cited the background available on the webpage of MathWorks® on FIS, which can be freely accessed at: https://in.mathworks.com/help/fuzzy/fuzzy-inference-process.html. We think that an exhaustive description of the FIS approach is not feasible and would shift the focus away from the paper's central idea, and a brief introduction cannot do justice to the approach.
- In the interest of open science and in order to better understand the approach itself (and to make it reproducible), it would also be very beneficial to make the processing scripts available on an open repository (e.g, GitHub or an institutional repository).
- Response: In this study, we used the commercial software Fuzzy Logic Toolbox of MathWorks® to implement the model. The Monte Carlo simulations were implemented using a trial version of the proprietary software XLSTAT®.
- However, we appreciate and agree with the comment of the Reviewer. We have provided some open open-source applications that can be used to implement FIS (Section 6, page 10, lines 199 – 206). These tools can be used to replicate the approach.
- One key aspect of the approach is that the authors estimate uncertainties in the resulting prediction maps. This is an important extension, when compared to conventional prospectivity mapping approaches. It should be mentioned, thought, that the analysed systemic uncertainties only address a small part of the overall set of uncertainties (here called “systemic”, similar to “epistemic”?): the uncertainties in the hyper-parameters of the distributions. Many other uncertainties which, I think, the authors would also group under the term “systemic” are not included (choice of the distribution, model structure, choice of using a FIS, …). To be sure, this is acceptable, as no approach yet exists to consider all uncertainties, but it should at least be mentioned that the uncertainty estimates are limited to this specific aspect.
- Response: We thank the Reviewer for pointing out this limitation. We have incorporated this comment on Page 12, Section 6, lines 237-239.
Further (minor) comments to specific sections in text (identified by line numbers):
75: In the UQ literature, the terms epistemic and aleatory are commonly used. How do the terms systemic and stochastic refer to these?
Response: As clarified on Page 3, Section 1, lines 64-70, the term systemic corresponds to epistemic and stochastic corresponds to aleatory.
97: Please describe the geologic/ geodynamic setting instead of a list of continents and countries.
Response: Thank you for the suggestion. We have added the geodynamic setting in lines 88-89, page 3, section 1.
147: As the presented work strongly depends on the mineral system model, it would be important to include the full reference here - or, at least, to provide an accessible version of a preprint (if the paper is not yet accepted). In the current form, this model cannot be evaluated.
Response: We agree. However, as a preprint of the paper containing the exhaustive details of the mineral systems model is currently unavailable, the model has been summarised briefly in section 4. We have provided all the relevant references.
Table 4B, C: highly redundant information - see general comments above.
Response: As suggested, the table has been revised. Please see Table 3 in the revised manuscript.
Table 5: last column: why Piece-wise linear twice? Overall, also highly redundant.
Response: As suggested, the table has been revised. Please see Table 4 in the revised manuscript.
Fig. 4: Also here, a lot of redundant information. A more compact description would help for a clearer representation.
Response: We have modified Figure 4 in the revised version.
233, FIS-model(s): Were the three separate models chosen on basis of a geodynamic/ mineral systems consideration or on basis of the operator functions (into “AND” and “Product” branches)?
Response: The three separate FIS models are used to combine the respective predictor maps of the three essential components of the mineral systems model (namely, Fertility/geodynamic setting, transportation and emplacement architecture) in order to generate fuzzy prospectivity maps for the respective component. We used the conjunctive fuzzy AND operator in these three FIS to combine the respective predictor maps.
The second stage FIS was used to combine the above three sets of fuzzy prospectivity maps for fertility/geodynamic settings, transportation and emplacement architecture using the fuzzy product operator to generate the final prospectivity map for REEs.
The above has been clearly explained in Section 6, page 14, lines 252-262.
Fig. 5: scale, colorbar, missing, difficult to interpret. Suggestion: include subfigures for detailed areas and include description in results section (instead of discussion).
Response: Thank you for pointing it out. We have included these critical elements in the revised figures.
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AC3: 'Reply on RC2', Malcolm Aranha, 12 Jan 2022
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RC3: 'Comment on se-2021-108', Gregor Partington, 13 Dec 2021
The paper REEs associated with carbonatite-alkaline complexes in western Rajasthan, India: exploration targeting at regional-scale by Malcolm Aranha, Alok Porwal, Manikandan Sundaralingam, Ignacio González-Álvarez, Amber Markan and Karunakar Rao3 provides a study that will interest not only researchers into mineral resources spatial data modelling but also researchers into REE mineralisation and industry explorationists and it appropriate for the Journal.
The paper describes the study and results in a well written and structured paper. There are minor edits that are provided in the attached review of the paper.
The main issue with the paper is the number and length of tables that make reading the paper difficult. The information in the tables, however, is very useful and should be included. I would suggest that some of the larger tables are moved to either appendices or a supplementary data section. This will improve the structure and readability of the paper without losing important information.
There are some improvements that can be made to the description of the targets and the Discussion and Recommendations section which are highlighted in the attached review.
There are minor issues with the references in the paper with some cited and not referenced and vice versa. Please see the attached.
If these issues are addressed the paper can be published.
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AC4: 'Reply on RC3', Malcolm Aranha, 12 Jan 2022
Response to RC3
We thank the Reviewer for the positive comments and welcome the constructive comments. We have addressed all his comments and suggestions in the revised version. Additionally, we have provided our responses in the attached review.
The paper REEs associated with carbonatite-alkaline complexes in western Rajasthan, India: exploration targeting at regional-scale by Malcolm Aranha, Alok Porwal, Manikandan Sundaralingam, Ignacio González-Álvarez, Amber Markan and Karunakar Rao3 provides a study that will interest not only researchers into mineral resources spatial data modelling but also researchers into REE mineralisation and industry explorationists and it appropriate for the Journal.
The paper describes the study and results in a well written and structured paper. There are minor edits that are provided in the attached review of the paper.
- The main issue with the paper is the number and length of tables that make reading the paper difficult. The information in the tables, however, is very useful and should be included. I would suggest that some of the larger tables are moved to either appendices or a supplementary data section. This will improve the structure and readability of the paper without losing important information.
- Response: We agree that the tables in the original manuscript were too cluttered and repetitive and needed restructuring. In the revised version, we have shortened, simplified and revised Tables 3 and 4 (Tables 4 and 5 in the original manuscript). The original Tables 1 and 6A, B and C have now been moved to the appendix.
- There are some improvements that can be made to the description of the targets and the Discussion and Recommendations section which are highlighted in the attached review.
- Response: We have addressed the comments and suggestions in the revised version and responded to the individual comments in the attached review.
- There are minor issues with the references in the paper with some cited and not referenced and vice versa. Please see the attached.
- Response: Thanks for pointing them out. We have addressed all the references related issues in the revised manuscript. The cited references on page 5 and Fig. 3 that were previously missing from the references list have now been included.
- If these issues are addressed the paper can be published.
- Response: We thank the Reviewer for his positive review and comments.
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AC4: 'Reply on RC3', Malcolm Aranha, 12 Jan 2022
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